D and E Children, Re

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MS X appeared on behalf of the Applicant authority MS Y appeared on behalf of the Respondent Mother (A) MS Z appeared on behalf of the Guardian ____________________

E tends to confuse 'he' and 'she'. E was asked to confirm who 'he' is. At first he said, 'My sister, D.' Subsequently, when asked to identify who 'throwed in the window', he confirmed it was his mum. Emma�Heywood, the police officer conducting the interview, asked, 'Okay. And how did she do that?' 'By strong hands,' replied E.

'Outside�with my legs, and the only bit here [D rubs her thighs with both hands]�was, just this bit [D indicates the top half of her body] and not that bit [D indicates the bottom half of her body] but she hold me at the legs�with the legs. This was my fifth birthday on April�so I was getting too excited and then what happened she shouted at me and threw me out the window, so now do you understand�'

'She was saying, "Stop being very loud. Don't be very rude. Don't distract me from sleeping. And don't let any social workers know about this�That was on my fifth birthday .'